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Then students could be introduced to more advanced writing, even if they never use it. Knowledge will give them an opportunity to check what’s available and choose specific kinds of writing they find useful. Trying to get students to learn all of the writing styles in a short period of time would be too much, it often results in students learning nothing at all. Roberto Martineznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-32708061570944302472014-02-21T02:19:30.819-08:002014-02-21T02:19:30.819-08:00I'm in broad agreement with you, Chris. It'...I'm in broad agreement with you, Chris. It's something that's been troubling me for some time. I feel like we're often muddying the waters, creating a false sense that writing is segregated into discrete and specific packages, rather than clarifying the point (that we simultaneously crow about when thinking about cross-curricular literacy) that all writing is writing. With year 10, at the moment, I'm trying to cement just 'writing', focussing on accuracy, clarity and logical structure. See how it goes... Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470751971913925275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-82706495172190388432014-02-17T09:59:28.265-08:002014-02-17T09:59:28.265-08:00You are so right. We assume too much about essay w...You are so right. We assume too much about essay writing. Students are expected a lot of the time to learn to write them by osmosis. Of course, some teachers help them, but there is a danger that we are neglecting essay writing because of other 'interesting' text types. <br /><br />Thanks Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-55084127041470404022014-02-17T09:54:36.809-08:002014-02-17T09:54:36.809-08:00As an English teacher I am not avoiding some forms...As an English teacher I am not avoiding some forms. I am just saying that wouldn't it be better to start with a foundation of essay writing first and then come to other texts later. We seem to be getting students to be good at everything, rather than experts at one thing first. <br /><br />I don't think the way we teach writing at the moment is supporting novelists and journalists. I think it is doing the opposite. Getting students to write a newspaper article in all lessons will not, I think, promote the skill of journalism. It creates unrealistic views of writing news. It reduces the whole process. <br /><br />If we look at how English used to be taught, it was open and vague. Today, the teaching is precise, endless tick lists and clear genre features. Look at the current novelists. They are a product of a different kind of English teaching. I think we have simplified writing to the detriment of creating life-long writers. Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-35763044380125500872014-02-17T09:27:23.009-08:002014-02-17T09:27:23.009-08:00The current system seems to assume that Year 10 st...The current system seems to assume that Year 10 students will know how to write essays without having been taught, and that it is reasonable for those essays to count toward the final mark. I have always found this mind-boggling.<br /><br />Having said that, I didn't need to be taught how to write an essay, back in the day. But what I was expected to do was to read a great deal from various textbooks; I now realise that this is where I got my mental model of the structure and terminology used in essay writing. These days many children will have read almost no nonfiction whatsoever before Year 10. No wonder they struggle. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-63663025899176165792014-02-17T05:10:14.830-08:002014-02-17T05:10:14.830-08:00Great thought provoking article. I can see the nee...Great thought provoking article. I can see the need to enable students to produce good essays, they will certainly need it. I would worry about dismissing other forms because. "no previous students have gone on to be journalists or novelists", just because none have, doesn't mean none will.Cavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08497166692282461180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-2917146437742874322014-02-16T10:10:47.785-08:002014-02-16T10:10:47.785-08:00Thank you, Fran. I agree. The writing tasks we are...Thank you, Fran. I agree. The writing tasks we are expected to get students to do are ludicrous. ; ) Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-18743089592205418852014-02-16T10:09:50.380-08:002014-02-16T10:09:50.380-08:00Thank you, Sway. I agree with you about the purpos...Thank you, Sway. I agree with you about the purpose and audience of writing. Students do need to be made aware of these, but do they have to be taught to explicitly write to inform? The whole process of text types in reductive. It is reducing a complex writing process into a simple label. All texts on some level are to persuade and entertain, yet we have to define them as inform, describe, advise, etc. Good writing is good writing. Looking at models is great, but you learn from them that there are no set rules for writing particular genres. There are the perceived rules, but most writers flaunt the rules. A lot of the time, we are teaching students stereotypical features of a genre and not the real thing. I have often had to write something, but it doesn't fit in with the general rules of that genre. <br /><br />Essay writing is writing at its most basic. It is the skeleton to which all writing is built on. Learn to write essays and then the rest comes together.<br />I think we are getting are students to do too much too fast, <br /><br />I am not proposing that primary schools focus on essay writing. In fact, far from it. I think argument texts would be a great basis for building the skills. Taking an idea and exploring and developing it. <br /><br />Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-82080241885978598282014-02-16T09:40:50.885-08:002014-02-16T09:40:50.885-08:00I like the idea of essay writing as a persuasive g...I like the idea of essay writing as a persuasive genre and usually teach it that way: answering a question in a convincingly supported way. Like you, I think it's the basis of many other forms of writing, not an add-on. And while I'm here I'll mention a bugbear of my own - the way that students get half an hour to do a piece of writing in an exam such as a letter or article or description that no self-respecting writer would EVER dash off in such a casual manner. And we're expected to train them to write in this way, as though it were a good thing? Fran Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07935088780461825341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-50137548830675435482014-02-16T08:49:59.750-08:002014-02-16T08:49:59.750-08:00From the perspective of a primary teacher I think ...From the perspective of a primary teacher I think I generally disagree. <br /><br />My class know that there are certain principles necessary in EVERY piece of writing such as a planned and organised structure, punctuation and a variety of sentence type/ openers etc. However, I feel that they also need to know the different text types, not because they may one day create them, but instead they need an awareness of purpose and audience. No matter what they're writing they need to be able to adapt their style accordingly and without practise this is an almost impossible task. This feeds very closely into reading - when we're discussing a text: what has the author used? Why is this different to another text? All of it acts to create an awareness that we do not write in the same way to everyone we address - just as we don't talk to everyone we meet with the same vocabulary and mannerisms.<br /><br />When they do eventually get their jobs, doing whatever that may be, hopefully they will be equipped with the skills to look at other examples of what they're creating and use that to inform themselves of the appropriate structure. Whether it be letters to parents, reports to a boss or a script for a TV show, they will be able to look at what someone else in the same/similar role did and use that to inform their own writing style. I don't think this will be because I've drilled into them a set of 'rules' but because they can consider the building blocks of a text for themselves and in their opinion.<br /><br />I would also like to add that we don't teach solely for the fact that they might one day do that job. You say you've never had someone go on to write blogs or scripts or stories - do you really know that? I know that several of my children have got their own blogs at the age of 10 (with parental permission) to share the writing that they do. As well as this, a Physics teacher could argue they have never taught anyone in life who went on to solely be a Physicist but we do still teach those skills!<br /><br />I understand your worries and perspective - there is a line between having little knowledge about lots compared to lots of knowledge about a little, but it is all about balance. Sway Granthamhttp://swaygrantham.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-28880751269759059952014-02-16T08:31:10.034-08:002014-02-16T08:31:10.034-08:00Thank you for the comment. I would simplify things...Thank you for the comment. I would simplify things and go for stories, arguments and poems. Concentrate on writing a few things really well. I think essay writing should be kept for KS3 onwards but certainly developing a persuasive argument can be developed in primary school. <br />Thanks Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-71929472835910974272014-02-16T06:11:59.007-08:002014-02-16T06:11:59.007-08:00It's definitely an interesting viewpoint, and ...It's definitely an interesting viewpoint, and I'm broadly agreement.<br />Like with so many things, I wonder if we focus too much on breadth before securing the basics, and so end up filling kids' heads with too many discrete concepts that have too little cohesion.<br />That said, as a primary teacher, we can't start teaching essays from y1. What would you perceive as useful structures and genres tackle before KS3?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-86393145372469468422014-02-16T04:42:28.131-08:002014-02-16T04:42:28.131-08:00Thanks for the comment, Leon. I enjoy poetry in al...Thanks for the comment, Leon. I enjoy poetry in all its forms and I agree with you to an extent. I am raising the question and not an advocate of change. As an English teacher, I still want to include poetry writing and analysis. My issue is with the whole idea of making students writers of everything. Poetry is not under attack here. I still think it has a place in the English curriculum. I am questioning the idea, in schools, that we ask students to be good at all types of writing (some forms are bizarre) yet we haven't got them focusing on making them really good at one form of writing first. The form of the essay would make a good starting point. Once they have mastered the essay form, they are more likely to succeed with other forms of writing. <br /><br />An essay is an expression of ideas. So too is a poem. A poem is an essay boiled down to the most effective words. A poem is a concentrated form of an essay. A poem is pure thought or pure emotion. <br /><br />If they write better essays, they stand a better chance of writing better poetry. It is all about the expression of ideas. Xris32https://www.blogger.com/profile/12204550583061791755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316884372249589308.post-47209559705643758422014-02-16T04:22:15.838-08:002014-02-16T04:22:15.838-08:00Well, after spending about 8 years giving poetry w...Well, after spending about 8 years giving poetry workshops to adults I came away with the opinion that people who could write good poems were generally good writers. Make of that what you will as well. Being able to "make" written language in precise ways stands people in good stead. Attention to detail and focus on what the words actually mean as well as their resonance and inevitable mutability coupled with a fair deal of life experience tied to that - harnessed in fact - helped a lot. But hey, that's andragogy and may not be relevant here. I do have to say that close analysis of poetry and the meanings inherent helped people improve but then you would have had to have read a LOT of poetry and maybe that is also the case in this instance. Most people who had facility with writing had read an enormous amount of books - do people audit this with their pupils? How someone teaches is irrelevant, really, if it doesn't detract from learning. Individuals will teach in different ways and if you tried rigidly to proscribe what ways that would be heinous in my opinion. Maybe, as you say, people should concentrate on the what but not the how?Leon Cychhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885221877491519981noreply@blogger.com